tbh i used to be a huge 2pm stan and then the whole jay thing really made me see them in a new light. i'm really happy for jay now so i don't hate 2pm quite as ardently but imo they just handled the scandal really poorly. really flip-flopped between "we miss jay" but then making kind of snide comments about jay and dragging him through the mud once they figured out it was more profitable to make it a us vs him kind of thing. and around the same time a lot of fan accounts were released saying most of the members are pretty shitty to their fans/girlfriends/women in general, and especially taec.
and obviously i took most of these with a grain of salt bc lol saesang fan accounts, some of which seemed to be from pretty hardcore jay fans, but i had a chance to see 2pm in concert a few years ago and my friend who was a REALLY BIG 2pm fan wanted to go wait around their hotel. i went with her and we saw a lot of bands go by - kara was super nice and waved and took pics and seemed really apologetic when they couldn't stop and sign more stuff, beast was half/half (i remember kikwang was exceptionally nice tho), and the only 2pm members we saw were taec and chansung. chansung stopped and talked to some fans and was in the middle of signing one of my friend's cds when taecyeon like grabbed his arm and made him leave. when someone called out to him to ask for an autograph he was really rude in saying no. and later this other girl there who had been on his floor said she wanted to approach him but didn't because these fans left some snacks/gifts outside their room and he kicked them aside and said something along the lines of like, "why do they think we'd want this/this is really annoying." and like i get that it's annoying when fans do that kind of thing but it really stood out to me because almost everyone other idol was so much kinder/more gracious in comparison.
tl;dr i really liked jay, thought 2pm but esp taec treated him poorly, and had one really shitty personal experience with him too.
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and obviously i took most of these with a grain of salt bc lol saesang fan accounts, some of which seemed to be from pretty hardcore jay fans, but i had a chance to see 2pm in concert a few years ago and my friend who was a REALLY BIG 2pm fan wanted to go wait around their hotel. i went with her and we saw a lot of bands go by - kara was super nice and waved and took pics and seemed really apologetic when they couldn't stop and sign more stuff, beast was half/half (i remember kikwang was exceptionally nice tho), and the only 2pm members we saw were taec and chansung. chansung stopped and talked to some fans and was in the middle of signing one of my friend's cds when taecyeon like grabbed his arm and made him leave. when someone called out to him to ask for an autograph he was really rude in saying no. and later this other girl there who had been on his floor said she wanted to approach him but didn't because these fans left some snacks/gifts outside their room and he kicked them aside and said something along the lines of like, "why do they think we'd want this/this is really annoying." and like i get that it's annoying when fans do that kind of thing but it really stood out to me because almost everyone other idol was so much kinder/more gracious in comparison.
tl;dr i really liked jay, thought 2pm but esp taec treated him poorly, and had one really shitty personal experience with him too.