the other problem is that everyone wants to be seen as totally jaded and always totally up on every aspect of fandom, including what other people no longer even in the fandom are up to, like... wat. like, i was barely in fandom at all in late 2012 bc of rl issues, if i wanna talk abt sth i will and if someone else wants to join in the talk they will, what's it to the rest of u.